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From: Garey Barrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Byron -
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> OK. Relays take more coil current to "pull in" than they do to "hold
> in". It takes a certain amount of current through the coil (pull) to
> drag the armature from it's non-energized position to the energized
> position. It takes much less current to (hold) it once there, so slight
> leakage might NOT be sufficient to pull, but more than enough to hold.
>
> I don't know of any good way to touch up the panels. The original
> "paint" is so thin, (I actually think it is more a dye (anodize?) than
> paint, but don't know for sure,) and as a result any sort of paint ends
> up looking worse than the mark! For a small mark or two, it might be
> possible to just "fill" the mark to the level of the panel, but a string
> of numbers would be a real challenge. Never could understand people
> that do that sort of thing, especially on the front panel!!
>
> I just saw your order. There are scans of both the 34-NB and the 34-PNB
> manuals, with quite a bit of information, plus I have added a photograph
> of the board itself with active components and alignment info
> annotated. There is also a Voltage table for the NB, which has not been
> previously published. It's really a straightforward design, and most
> units in the field benefit from an alignment.
>
> A lot of the components are common between the TR-3 and TR-4, but every
> once in a while they threw in a curve like that cap to keep us off
> balance! :-)
>
> Your CDs will go out tomorrow. Thank you!
>
> 73, Garey - K4OAH
> Glen Allen, VA
>
> Drake 2-B, 4-B, C-Line & TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs
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>
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> Byron Tatum wrote:
> >
> > "Byron Tatum" made an utterance to the drakelist gang
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> > Hey Garey-
> > Thank you for the comments and help. I start nights at work and
> > will have several to complete, then I will get back into the TR-4. I
> > will measure voltage as you suggest, looking for a slight voltage
> > drop. Then I will check out relay itself.
> > I am beginning to think that it is the magnetizing of pole piece
> > and relay wear that is the problem. If it was a leakage to ground on
> > the 6EV7 pin #1 lead you might think the set would go into TX on its
> > own (relay energize) every now and then, of which I have never saw it do.
> > One other thing- I bought a nice TR-4 from a fellow, based on
> > several pictures, but the photo angles, due to glare, covered up (of
> > all things) a ham's DL # engraved on the front panel in tiny lettering
> > , immediately to the right of "TR-4" on front panel. Do you know of a
> > touch up paint that matches the darker grey of that front panel area?
> > I got the set for a decent price, it was nice and had the built in
> > NB, but had a problem (as advertised). I found T-9 to be burned out in
> > center area of coil form. I had a spare T-9 from a parts unit TR-3.
> > Thank goodness I opened up the TR-3 T-9 transformer before I installed
> > it -- it had a 56 pF cap in it that was not in the TR-4 T-9. Otherwise
> > the coils looked the same. Anyway, I clipped out the capacitor and all
> > went OK after the repair. That is not a fun repair for sure!!
> > CUL, Byron.
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garey Barrell"
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [drakelist] TR-4 TX Hang-Up
> >
> >
> >> Byron -
> >>
> >> Well things were going well until you pulled the tube out of the
> >> socket! :-)
> >>
> >> There are a limited number of possibilities in that case. The relay
> >> coil leads go through the feedthrough bypass caps _under_ the power
> >> connector. Of course the relay lead to the 6EV7 is the one UNDER the
> >> Jones connector, the last one in the "arc" of feedthroughs there.
> >> (C92) There are no more components between this feedthrough and the
> >> 6EV7 tube socket. The other relay coil lead goes directly the +250V bus
> >> via the next feedthrough cap along the arc, (C91). So the voltage
> >> measured at the tube socket pin with the tube out should be exactly the
> >> same as the +250V bus. Any drop would indicate leakage. See attached
> >> photo from my CD (at reduced resolution).
> >>
> >> So..... Leaky C92, leaky tube socket, pinched wire. One possibility I
> >> have seen a few times is the "down" stop on the relay gets hammered down
> >> over the years, allowing the armature to actually touch the pole piece
> >> of the coil. The pole piece is slightly magnetized, and if the armature
> >> physically is in contact with it, it will "stick". An easy check is to
> >> slip a piece of paper in to prevent metal to metal contact between the
> >> two. The "down" stop can be bent back up to prevent this contact.
> >>
> >> Let us know what you find!!
> >>
> >> 73, Garey - K4OAH
> >> Glen Allen, VA
> >>
> >> Drake 2-B, 4-B, C-Line & TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Byron Tatum wrote:
> >>> Hello-
> >>> I have an unusual problem perhaps someone could shed some light on:
> >>> I have a TR-4 in 29K serial range that functions normally
> >>> except it will not go back into receive, until after approx 30 second
> >>> delay, after the mic button is released or the function switch turned
> >>> back to "SSB". This condition worsens (longer delay) the more you
> >>> frequently you transmit. The sidetone disappears but T-R relay will
> >>> not release.
> >>> I have tried different known-good 6EV7 tubes, have replaced a lot
> >>> of the coupling / bypass caps in T-R circuits, did resistance /
> >>> voltage checks, adjusted the VOX / VOX delay controls, tried other
> >>> tubes in T-R circuit, etc. to no avail.
> >>> What is real curious about this is that while waiting for it to go
> >>> back into receive and T-R relay is engaged, IF YOU PULL THE 6EV7 FROM
> >>> ITS SOCKET THE T-R RELAY STILL DOES NOT RELEASE. I suspect the issue
> >>> is with the lead that goes from T-R relay coil to pin #1 on 6EV7
> >>> (somehow allowing enough leakage to ground?) or could it be the T-R
> >>> relay coil itself I made sure socket / pins and all are clean on
> >>> 6EV7.
> >>> Any help appreciated, thanks.
> >>> Perplexed,
> >>> Byron WA5THJ.
> >>>
> >>
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